WEBVTT 00:00:00.369 --> 00:00:04.171 But I don't think that it's going to 00:00:04.192 --> 00:00:08.435 be a situation where, for like next year, 00:00:08.474 --> 00:00:10.555 if you don't pass it, 00:00:11.057 --> 00:00:12.618 I don't think it will kick in. 00:00:12.637 --> 00:00:12.878 Right. 00:00:12.958 --> 00:00:15.480 And that's kind of what I'm thinking. 00:00:15.539 --> 00:00:18.722 That's what was specified to me earlier. 00:00:18.742 --> 00:00:21.544 But I just want to get the info 00:00:21.643 --> 00:00:24.265 out so that everybody can start talking 00:00:24.306 --> 00:00:24.646 about it. 00:00:25.567 --> 00:00:27.928 You don't have to make a decision right 00:00:28.028 --> 00:00:28.109 now. 00:00:28.129 --> 00:00:29.068 That's what we said. 00:00:29.210 --> 00:00:31.530 That's what we said. 00:00:31.550 --> 00:00:34.173 We called it on September. 00:00:34.273 --> 00:00:36.234 But the hiring process is going to be 00:00:36.374 --> 00:00:36.954 worth it. 00:00:36.994 --> 00:00:37.954 It is worth it. 00:00:38.015 --> 00:00:38.756 Well, right. 00:00:38.776 --> 00:00:41.737 From, you know, it just depends on who. 00:00:41.758 --> 00:00:42.679 Well, he got a contract. 00:00:42.698 --> 00:00:44.240 You know, so. 00:00:44.259 --> 00:00:45.801 You know, it's just like this. 00:00:45.820 --> 00:00:46.581 You know, you know. 00:00:54.567 --> 00:00:55.188 it doesn't 00:01:10.765 --> 00:01:13.027 It says it in three different pages, 00:01:13.106 --> 00:01:16.509 and I found that in their question, 00:01:16.629 --> 00:01:18.969 and I was like, okay. 00:01:19.030 --> 00:01:20.210 I think we already got it. 00:01:20.311 --> 00:01:21.111 You know, 00:01:21.150 --> 00:01:23.793 you're not getting back a hundred percent 00:01:23.972 --> 00:01:25.513 of what you put into it. 00:01:25.593 --> 00:01:27.474 And if you're not part of this other 00:01:27.495 --> 00:01:27.954 PSC plan, 00:01:27.974 --> 00:01:30.536 you'd probably have to follow your money 00:01:30.557 --> 00:01:30.996 back in, 00:01:31.016 --> 00:01:33.237 because they did get it based on that 00:01:33.257 --> 00:01:33.677 portion. 00:01:38.641 --> 00:01:41.182 If your county is not using that plan, 00:01:41.201 --> 00:01:44.221 you get different percentages to go to 00:01:44.281 --> 00:01:46.382 different things from the real tax that 00:01:46.462 --> 00:01:48.343 you designate for your roads. 00:01:48.362 --> 00:01:49.164 So you're going to get . 00:02:06.587 --> 00:02:06.768 Yes. 00:02:36.252 --> 00:02:37.174 And that's what I want. 00:02:37.354 --> 00:02:38.294 I know, you know, 00:02:38.313 --> 00:02:40.014 once you start getting candy, like candy. 00:02:40.114 --> 00:02:40.313 Ready? 00:02:40.433 --> 00:02:41.875 It's hard to give it up. 00:02:41.955 --> 00:02:43.974 You know, why send money up to climate? 00:02:43.995 --> 00:02:46.436 They've got departments that are so many. 00:02:46.455 --> 00:02:48.037 Seventy-five thousand are 00:02:48.056 --> 00:02:48.997 non-comprehensive. 00:02:49.016 --> 00:02:50.977 They know we're participating. 00:02:51.037 --> 00:02:52.617 Hundreds of thousands of dollars from 00:02:52.638 --> 00:02:53.298 boards that say legal. 00:02:53.397 --> 00:02:54.698 And we have been in the end. 00:03:05.741 --> 00:03:07.283 Okay, we'll call the meeting to order, 00:03:07.324 --> 00:03:07.903 commissioners. 00:03:07.943 --> 00:03:17.694 Okay, would everybody please stand? 00:03:17.715 --> 00:03:19.236 We'll say a pledge and a prayer. 00:03:34.486 --> 00:03:36.769 your God, indivisible, 00:03:38.290 --> 00:03:40.973 with liberty and justice for all. 00:03:40.992 --> 00:03:41.574 Let us pray. 00:03:41.614 --> 00:03:42.455 Heavenly Father, 00:03:43.014 --> 00:03:46.437 we come before you today thanking you for 00:03:46.457 --> 00:03:48.639 the many blessings you bestowed upon us 00:03:49.961 --> 00:03:52.704 and knowing that your will shall be done. 00:03:53.447 --> 00:03:53.986 Lord God, 00:03:54.046 --> 00:03:57.269 bless those who serve us and protect us. 00:03:57.609 --> 00:03:59.729 In his precious name we pray, amen. 00:03:59.750 --> 00:04:04.832 Thank you. 00:04:04.893 --> 00:04:05.373 Thank you. 00:04:09.936 --> 00:04:14.538 Approval of the agenda. 00:04:14.558 --> 00:04:17.779 Make a motion to approve the agenda. 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:18.860 Tots made a motion. 00:04:19.401 --> 00:04:20.081 Daniel second. 00:04:20.442 --> 00:04:20.822 Second. 00:04:21.341 --> 00:04:22.083 Tony second. 00:04:24.939 --> 00:04:25.240 Public comments. 00:04:25.259 --> 00:04:25.821 Lucy Britton, is she here? 00:04:25.860 --> 00:04:25.961 Yep. 00:04:25.980 --> 00:04:26.562 Right on the front row. 00:04:26.581 --> 00:04:26.922 There we go. 00:04:26.942 --> 00:04:29.725 I'm always ready. 00:04:29.745 --> 00:04:30.646 I've got an April meeting timekeeping. 00:04:41.454 --> 00:04:43.136 I would ask before you start my time 00:04:43.396 --> 00:04:46.338 to let folks know that I talked with 00:04:46.377 --> 00:04:47.358 Randy Lee this morning. 00:04:47.377 --> 00:04:48.459 His wife is in the hospital, 00:04:48.778 --> 00:04:50.178 so he can't come and do his three 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:50.600 minutes. 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:52.661 He sent me a written statement to read 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:53.480 into the record. 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:55.482 May I take my three minutes and then 00:04:55.502 --> 00:04:56.382 take Randy's as well? 00:05:06.370 --> 00:05:08.192 And one thing that our citizens have asked 00:05:08.211 --> 00:05:09.451 me to ask all of you is to 00:05:09.471 --> 00:05:10.833 get your microphones right in front of 00:05:10.853 --> 00:05:11.574 your faces, 00:05:11.913 --> 00:05:14.194 because we have a lot of people who 00:05:14.254 --> 00:05:15.295 are working right now, 00:05:15.375 --> 00:05:17.177 and the working public is not able to 00:05:17.197 --> 00:05:18.538 see these meetings. 00:05:18.557 --> 00:05:21.158 So they really need to concentrate on 00:05:21.238 --> 00:05:23.961 having our microphones in front of us. 00:05:23.980 --> 00:05:25.362 So before I get started and the timer 00:05:25.382 --> 00:05:26.422 stops or starts, 00:05:26.461 --> 00:05:28.483 can we all make sure that our microphones 00:05:28.642 --> 00:05:30.605 are going to pick this up for the 00:05:30.625 --> 00:05:31.345 listeners at home? 00:05:38.499 --> 00:05:41.120 All right, we've got that set. 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:42.860 It's like Kyra and April. 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:43.959 If you folks want to talk, 00:05:43.980 --> 00:05:45.641 it doesn't look like it's going to be 00:05:46.180 --> 00:05:47.860 picked up, Tony. 00:05:48.180 --> 00:05:50.721 I think we're sitting pretty good. 00:05:50.901 --> 00:05:52.461 Okay, April, you got the timer ready? 00:05:53.322 --> 00:05:55.663 All right, here we go. 00:05:55.843 --> 00:05:57.923 Air, water. 00:05:59.303 --> 00:06:01.084 Those are the two most important things 00:06:01.124 --> 00:06:03.504 that a human body needs, air and water. 00:06:04.125 --> 00:06:06.165 And yet here we sit in a town 00:06:07.185 --> 00:06:08.086 without clean water. 00:06:08.971 --> 00:06:11.290 We are literally poisoning the citizens 00:06:11.632 --> 00:06:13.091 every time they open up their tap. 00:06:13.531 --> 00:06:14.632 And I'd like to remind you all that 00:06:14.651 --> 00:06:16.653 your skin is the largest organ on your 00:06:16.692 --> 00:06:17.052 body. 00:06:17.653 --> 00:06:18.872 And all of those chemicals, 00:06:18.892 --> 00:06:19.812 when you take your shower, 00:06:19.853 --> 00:06:20.593 when you take your bath, 00:06:20.612 --> 00:06:22.673 when you put your precious babies in a 00:06:22.694 --> 00:06:24.413 bathtub, what's happening? 00:06:24.874 --> 00:06:26.274 They're getting poisoned by the water. 00:06:27.274 --> 00:06:28.154 Now, 00:06:28.995 --> 00:06:31.435 politicians should have a couple of 00:06:31.475 --> 00:06:31.855 things. 00:06:32.735 --> 00:06:34.576 Stepping up into the role of a politician 00:06:34.596 --> 00:06:36.036 and putting yourself out as a public 00:06:36.057 --> 00:06:37.536 servant means that there should be radical 00:06:37.557 --> 00:06:38.057 honesty 00:06:38.918 --> 00:06:40.160 complete transparency, 00:06:40.620 --> 00:06:42.161 and should be held to a higher standard. 00:06:42.622 --> 00:06:47.406 Our egos have to be put aside for 00:06:47.425 --> 00:06:49.528 the good of the citizens and taxpayers, 00:06:50.168 --> 00:06:52.230 and certainly no retaliation. 00:06:52.509 --> 00:06:54.170 But I've been reading Facebook recently, 00:06:54.552 --> 00:06:55.773 and what I've seen is a lot of 00:06:55.812 --> 00:06:57.533 retaliation on this water issue. 00:06:58.375 --> 00:07:00.656 Specifically with the Salem water fiasco, 00:07:01.697 --> 00:07:03.478 the mayor of Salem claimed that the water 00:07:03.499 --> 00:07:04.199 was okay, 00:07:04.899 --> 00:07:07.442 and then Randy Lee called the next day 00:07:08.105 --> 00:07:10.767 to the exact water companies that the 00:07:10.788 --> 00:07:13.129 mayor claimed was having the exact same 00:07:13.189 --> 00:07:14.790 issues that we were having here in Salem. 00:07:15.630 --> 00:07:17.252 And Randy shared with me that during those 00:07:17.273 --> 00:07:18.112 conversations, 00:07:18.653 --> 00:07:20.454 the other water companies said that they 00:07:20.475 --> 00:07:21.855 were not having these problems. 00:07:22.755 --> 00:07:24.838 And so now we're sitting here at August 00:07:24.877 --> 00:07:25.517 thirteenth, 00:07:25.757 --> 00:07:27.500 where Randy got a letter saying his 00:07:27.620 --> 00:07:29.300 position was going to be eliminated in ten 00:07:29.321 --> 00:07:30.942 days, by the twenty-third, 00:07:31.062 --> 00:07:32.202 and that's one of the things on the 00:07:32.223 --> 00:07:33.124 agenda today. 00:07:34.704 --> 00:07:36.105 So it seemed to me that there's a 00:07:36.146 --> 00:07:37.627 little bit of retaliation there. 00:07:38.300 --> 00:07:40.262 and we need to be very very careful 00:07:40.581 --> 00:07:43.184 to put our feelings aside when somebody 00:07:43.204 --> 00:07:45.446 does the work to make sure that the 00:07:45.466 --> 00:07:47.646 citizens are taken care of they should get 00:07:47.666 --> 00:07:50.730 an attaboy they should be i'm sorry 00:07:50.810 --> 00:07:53.752 evidently i don't know how technology 00:07:53.771 --> 00:07:58.134 works um and when i spoke with randy 00:07:58.154 --> 00:08:00.997 this morning one of his big concerns now 00:08:01.016 --> 00:08:02.358 that he's sitting in the hospital with a 00:08:02.377 --> 00:08:03.879 wife who passed out and hit her head 00:08:03.899 --> 00:08:04.339 this morning 00:08:05.415 --> 00:08:07.117 is that the elimination of his position 00:08:07.257 --> 00:08:08.396 actually affects his housing. 00:08:08.437 --> 00:08:09.697 So for those of you who aren't aware, 00:08:09.716 --> 00:08:12.098 the groundskeeper lives on the Fairgrounds 00:08:12.137 --> 00:08:12.757 property. 00:08:13.459 --> 00:08:15.439 And that means that Randy's housing 00:08:15.478 --> 00:08:18.180 situation as well as his insurance is at 00:08:18.220 --> 00:08:18.540 risk. 00:08:18.980 --> 00:08:20.860 And he's right over there with a wife 00:08:21.021 --> 00:08:22.521 who may have traumatic brain injury from 00:08:22.540 --> 00:08:23.541 what happened this morning. 00:08:24.521 --> 00:08:26.583 I'm gonna say it's probably because of the 00:08:26.642 --> 00:08:28.583 stress of dealing with everything that 00:08:28.603 --> 00:08:29.704 they've been dealing with. 00:08:30.803 --> 00:08:31.024 Now, 00:08:31.084 --> 00:08:33.684 Randy mentioned to me that a consultant 00:08:34.383 --> 00:08:36.903 has been put forward to replace him or 00:08:36.923 --> 00:08:38.104 as an idea to replace him. 00:08:38.563 --> 00:08:40.224 But Randy only makes twenty thousand a 00:08:40.264 --> 00:08:41.924 year and even if you count the small 00:08:42.024 --> 00:08:44.065 utility advantage that he gets, 00:08:44.664 --> 00:08:46.205 it's about twenty six thousand a year. 00:08:46.725 --> 00:08:48.206 Now Randy described to me all of the 00:08:48.225 --> 00:08:49.605 things that he does and that he has 00:08:49.645 --> 00:08:51.725 to do before and after groups come in 00:08:51.765 --> 00:08:53.606 and the amount of mowing is just 00:08:53.687 --> 00:08:55.206 incredible for that property over there. 00:08:55.346 --> 00:08:57.268 I would say that he's currently 00:08:57.288 --> 00:08:58.128 undercompensated. 00:08:58.288 --> 00:08:59.408 I cannot believe 00:08:59.855 --> 00:09:02.196 that anybody would work for as little 00:09:02.216 --> 00:09:03.496 money as he's making. 00:09:03.537 --> 00:09:04.937 That's literally four hundred a week. 00:09:05.177 --> 00:09:05.878 That's ten times that. 00:09:05.898 --> 00:09:05.977 Okay, 00:09:06.018 --> 00:09:07.318 so now I can go to Randy's time? 00:09:07.339 --> 00:09:08.219 So you're starting again? 00:09:08.239 --> 00:09:10.660 Okay, very good. 00:09:13.761 --> 00:09:14.903 I can't believe that he works for so 00:09:14.923 --> 00:09:15.503 little money. 00:09:17.224 --> 00:09:19.125 So now that his wife is over there, 00:09:19.164 --> 00:09:20.765 possibly with a traumatic brain injury, 00:09:21.485 --> 00:09:22.527 she's dealing with this. 00:09:23.206 --> 00:09:24.807 And let me pull up this photo here 00:09:24.827 --> 00:09:25.408 so I can read. 00:09:25.427 --> 00:09:26.609 So this is what Randy 00:09:27.239 --> 00:09:28.860 sent over to me to go ahead and 00:09:28.899 --> 00:09:29.780 read into the record. 00:09:31.623 --> 00:09:33.144 Hi, my name is Randy Lee. 00:09:33.344 --> 00:09:35.086 I'm the fairground attendant and have been 00:09:35.105 --> 00:09:36.246 ever since to the state. 00:09:36.307 --> 00:09:38.548 I've never been written up or reprimanded 00:09:38.589 --> 00:09:41.191 for anything or any kind of disciplinary 00:09:41.270 --> 00:09:41.671 action. 00:09:41.831 --> 00:09:42.652 And on August thirteenth, 00:09:42.731 --> 00:09:44.232 I received a letter from the fair board 00:09:44.594 --> 00:09:46.735 stating my position would be eliminated as 00:09:46.775 --> 00:09:48.557 of August twenty third and that I would 00:09:48.576 --> 00:09:50.138 have sixty days to remove all my personal 00:09:50.178 --> 00:09:50.658 belongings. 00:09:51.288 --> 00:09:53.389 I feel this is an unjust and untimely 00:09:53.428 --> 00:09:54.710 decision made by the Fair Board. 00:09:55.049 --> 00:09:55.889 As a county employee, 00:09:56.009 --> 00:09:58.370 I'm curious on how a non-elected board 00:09:58.690 --> 00:10:00.311 would have such authority such as this. 00:10:00.750 --> 00:10:01.311 At this point, 00:10:01.390 --> 00:10:04.390 I feel that there is more weighing purpose 00:10:04.410 --> 00:10:06.292 behind this revengeful, tactical decision. 00:10:06.812 --> 00:10:08.631 Do I believe this is a political move? 00:10:08.932 --> 00:10:10.753 Absolutely, one hundred percent I do. 00:10:11.173 --> 00:10:12.932 I know there's certain Fair Board members 00:10:12.972 --> 00:10:13.633 that don't like me, 00:10:13.653 --> 00:10:14.633 and on top of all that, 00:10:14.793 --> 00:10:17.094 certain authority figures has made me feel 00:10:17.234 --> 00:10:18.094 insecure in my job. 00:10:18.666 --> 00:10:20.006 With this coming to a head on March 00:10:20.047 --> 00:10:20.386 third, 00:10:20.488 --> 00:10:22.288 I received a threatening and intimidating 00:10:22.308 --> 00:10:24.490 phone call from Commissioner Todd Ewing, 00:10:24.850 --> 00:10:27.052 which led to a state police investigation 00:10:27.373 --> 00:10:29.154 where two other witnesses and Mr. 00:10:29.215 --> 00:10:31.255 Ewing and myself were interrogated by 00:10:31.336 --> 00:10:32.537 state police detective, 00:10:32.977 --> 00:10:36.080 which led to pending intimidation charges. 00:10:36.500 --> 00:10:37.120 At this time, 00:10:37.221 --> 00:10:38.861 I feel this is the reasoning behind this 00:10:38.942 --> 00:10:41.264 latest play in authoritarian tactics. 00:10:41.725 --> 00:10:43.826 I would like for you all to record 00:10:44.826 --> 00:10:45.528 this decision 00:10:46.086 --> 00:10:47.028 And I believe that Mr. 00:10:47.067 --> 00:10:48.908 Ewan should be excluded from any decisions 00:10:48.948 --> 00:10:50.870 pertaining to these topics while these 00:10:50.890 --> 00:10:51.591 charges are pending. 00:10:51.912 --> 00:10:52.192 And again, 00:10:52.211 --> 00:10:53.994 these are Randy's words online that he 00:10:54.014 --> 00:10:54.573 sent me over. 00:10:56.034 --> 00:10:57.176 So, you know, 00:10:57.196 --> 00:10:58.878 I think it's really clear that as a 00:10:58.937 --> 00:10:59.378 county, 00:10:59.798 --> 00:11:02.000 we need to make sure that we hold 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:04.182 our politicians accountable and that our 00:11:04.221 --> 00:11:06.144 politicians come before us with, 00:11:06.423 --> 00:11:06.884 as I said, 00:11:06.964 --> 00:11:09.746 radical honesty and complete transparency. 00:11:10.407 --> 00:11:11.668 I'm on the plan commission now, 00:11:11.888 --> 00:11:13.769 and I invite any member of the public 00:11:13.850 --> 00:11:14.971 to send me a message. 00:11:15.455 --> 00:11:18.317 to call me, send me DMs, texts, 00:11:18.477 --> 00:11:19.899 whatever way you feel is the best way 00:11:19.918 --> 00:11:20.619 to get ahold of me, 00:11:21.019 --> 00:11:22.640 to not only hold me accountable and make 00:11:22.660 --> 00:11:23.981 sure that I'm getting you the information 00:11:24.001 --> 00:11:24.582 that you need, 00:11:24.863 --> 00:11:26.945 but also to bring the issues before me 00:11:26.965 --> 00:11:29.206 that fall into the planning commission. 00:11:29.726 --> 00:11:31.107 Now for those things that don't fall into 00:11:31.128 --> 00:11:31.969 the planning commission, 00:11:32.448 --> 00:11:33.629 this is a hard thing for me to 00:11:33.649 --> 00:11:35.912 say because we're sitting here at nine, 00:11:35.951 --> 00:11:36.793 ten a.m. 00:11:36.812 --> 00:11:38.234 when most people are at work. 00:11:38.754 --> 00:11:40.196 This is another thing that people have 00:11:40.216 --> 00:11:42.197 complained about over and over is the 00:11:42.258 --> 00:11:43.879 timing of this particular meeting. 00:11:44.448 --> 00:11:45.870 And that it should be changed to a 00:11:45.909 --> 00:11:48.871 time when normal citizens with normal jobs 00:11:49.351 --> 00:11:51.373 have the ability to come and actually see 00:11:51.393 --> 00:11:52.913 their representatives in person. 00:11:53.715 --> 00:11:55.015 So I think I'm probably about up with 00:11:55.035 --> 00:11:55.535 my time. 00:11:56.136 --> 00:11:57.636 What I read again were Randy's words, 00:11:57.677 --> 00:11:58.217 not mine. 00:11:59.077 --> 00:12:01.779 And I just really hope we can do 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:02.500 better as a county. 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:05.702 I can't think of anything that is more 00:12:05.722 --> 00:12:06.822 important than clean water. 00:12:07.082 --> 00:12:07.384 Can you? 00:12:31.520 --> 00:12:33.942 Do you need a motion to approve them? 00:12:34.261 --> 00:12:36.182 Yeah, motion to approve minutes. 00:12:37.163 --> 00:12:40.284 August fifth, twenty twenty-five. 00:12:40.304 --> 00:12:41.745 That both of them are just one. 00:12:44.067 --> 00:12:45.586 August fifth, twenty twenty-five. 00:12:45.927 --> 00:12:47.107 I second. 00:12:47.707 --> 00:12:48.427 Tony second. 00:12:50.068 --> 00:12:51.649 Clamps, payroll, any questions? 00:12:57.913 --> 00:12:58.452 Have a motion. 00:13:00.442 --> 00:13:05.503 Motion to approve the claims and payroll. 00:13:05.523 --> 00:13:06.323 Second. 00:13:08.144 --> 00:13:09.484 I'm sure this is what everybody's here 00:13:09.504 --> 00:13:13.544 for, wheel tax discussion. 00:13:13.764 --> 00:13:18.206 You skipped one. 00:13:18.285 --> 00:13:19.167 You skipped one. 00:13:19.187 --> 00:13:20.167 You skipped one. 00:13:20.187 --> 00:13:21.106 You skipped one, Phil. 00:13:21.267 --> 00:13:21.767 Which one? 00:13:21.826 --> 00:13:22.246 The WTH. 00:13:22.486 --> 00:13:22.628 Well, 00:13:22.648 --> 00:13:24.028 when did I get our way in here? 00:13:29.192 --> 00:13:34.740 Access for collegiate WTH approval for the 00:13:34.779 --> 00:13:35.100 maps. 00:13:37.403 --> 00:13:38.224 We do it every year. 00:13:39.164 --> 00:13:40.687 Gives them access to our maps. 00:13:41.827 --> 00:13:43.029 Anybody got an objection to it? 00:13:57.573 --> 00:13:59.936 again they can't didn't hear what you was 00:13:59.975 --> 00:14:02.918 talking about okay i'm sorry every year 00:14:03.580 --> 00:14:06.263 wth asks to use our maps that the 00:14:06.302 --> 00:14:08.605 county pays for that they use your 00:14:08.625 --> 00:14:10.366 reference points off of we always give 00:14:10.386 --> 00:14:12.048 them consent to use our map so we 00:14:12.067 --> 00:14:14.431 don't get an extra charge and this is 00:14:14.451 --> 00:14:16.133 just a motion to give them access to 00:14:16.173 --> 00:14:17.293 the county maps can i take that motion 00:14:21.442 --> 00:14:22.001 Todd's made a motion. 00:14:22.962 --> 00:14:23.724 Twenty-second. 00:14:23.903 --> 00:14:24.845 All in favor say aye. 00:14:25.225 --> 00:14:25.424 Aye. 00:14:26.125 --> 00:14:31.509 Okay, now, wheel tax. 00:14:31.610 --> 00:14:31.990 Yeah, 00:14:32.230 --> 00:14:34.432 I passed out some information about that. 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:39.419 Which you'll see on the little blue sheet 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:41.280 that you have in front of you there. 00:14:42.100 --> 00:14:43.240 That's from AIM, 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:47.663 which is Accelerate Indiana Municipality. 00:14:48.363 --> 00:14:49.023 Sorry. 00:14:50.004 --> 00:14:52.364 Just passed out some information to the 00:14:52.423 --> 00:14:53.325 council commissioners. 00:14:53.345 --> 00:14:54.125 You have it there. 00:14:54.644 --> 00:14:56.885 I have some other copies if anybody wants 00:14:57.066 --> 00:14:59.326 one after the meeting's over. 00:15:00.427 --> 00:15:04.210 But it's just a breakdown of what the 00:15:04.269 --> 00:15:07.932 state is doing with this wheeled vehicle 00:15:08.913 --> 00:15:09.854 excise tax, 00:15:11.336 --> 00:15:15.859 which basically states that town or 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:19.522 municipal wheel tax and vehicle excise tax 00:15:20.221 --> 00:15:23.745 are local options available to any 00:15:24.164 --> 00:15:26.767 municipality with a population of five 00:15:26.807 --> 00:15:28.028 thousand or above. 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:35.424 So that is the nuts and bolts of 00:15:35.505 --> 00:15:35.605 it. 00:15:35.666 --> 00:15:39.328 How this all started was the state has 00:15:39.349 --> 00:15:42.610 said that if you don't have this in 00:15:42.650 --> 00:15:43.192 place, 00:15:43.251 --> 00:15:46.955 then your community crossings grants could 00:15:47.034 --> 00:15:49.356 possibly go away. 00:15:49.417 --> 00:15:51.379 Now what the timeline is for that, 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:52.720 we're not really for sure. 00:15:52.779 --> 00:15:56.383 We've made several calls to the state 00:15:56.423 --> 00:15:57.543 legislators and 00:15:58.806 --> 00:16:00.546 It looks like it wouldn't affect the 00:16:00.645 --> 00:16:01.667 twenty six, 00:16:02.246 --> 00:16:05.827 but it could affect twenty seven with 00:16:05.847 --> 00:16:07.628 those community crossing grants. 00:16:07.687 --> 00:16:11.609 So it's just a discussion that we needed 00:16:11.629 --> 00:16:12.269 to have. 00:16:12.869 --> 00:16:15.109 If it was something that we were going 00:16:15.249 --> 00:16:16.570 to try to pass, 00:16:17.110 --> 00:16:19.690 then it would have to be done by 00:16:19.750 --> 00:16:23.471 September the first in order for us to, 00:16:23.490 --> 00:16:25.130 you know, 00:16:25.191 --> 00:16:27.711 get that into play for twenty twenty six. 00:16:29.296 --> 00:16:31.476 So mainly this was a discussion I wanted 00:16:31.616 --> 00:16:33.937 to have with everyone just so that the 00:16:33.956 --> 00:16:35.777 information was out there and everybody 00:16:35.797 --> 00:16:39.437 knew what we were looking at here, 00:16:39.498 --> 00:16:42.057 what we may have to do down the 00:16:42.118 --> 00:16:44.698 road to be eligible for those grants. 00:16:44.719 --> 00:16:45.918 Can we not put it on the ballot 00:16:45.938 --> 00:16:51.379 in November to be voted on? 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:52.659 That is something right now, 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:53.820 it's just discussion. 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:55.941 But like I said, 00:16:55.980 --> 00:16:57.860 they did put a timeline on it. 00:16:58.538 --> 00:17:00.240 If you wanted it to kick in for 00:17:00.280 --> 00:17:01.101 twenty-six, 00:17:01.121 --> 00:17:03.144 you'd have to have it passed by September 00:17:03.163 --> 00:17:03.745 the first. 00:17:08.269 --> 00:17:08.830 You're talking twenty-seven, 00:17:08.851 --> 00:17:09.832 so we would have plenty of time to 00:17:09.852 --> 00:17:09.991 do that. 00:17:10.011 --> 00:17:10.512 Yeah, we'll get to that. 00:17:10.553 --> 00:17:11.114 Right now, 00:17:11.134 --> 00:17:13.375 this is just to get the information out 00:17:14.096 --> 00:17:16.839 to the council commissioners so that 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:17.961 everyone knows. 00:17:18.689 --> 00:17:21.470 This is what they're trying to get us 00:17:21.529 --> 00:17:22.651 to adopt. 00:17:22.790 --> 00:17:25.132 Should people know about this first? 00:17:25.511 --> 00:17:25.932 Ma'am, 00:17:26.093 --> 00:17:27.753 I just want to say that this is 00:17:27.854 --> 00:17:30.035 not an official public comment, period. 00:17:31.122 --> 00:17:33.702 and even during a public comment. 00:17:33.782 --> 00:17:41.646 And I'm just saying we're going to follow 00:17:41.686 --> 00:17:44.587 regular procedure and if this comes to the 00:17:44.607 --> 00:17:46.709 point where the council has an ordinance 00:17:46.769 --> 00:17:48.690 in front of it where it is going 00:17:48.710 --> 00:17:50.730 to actually take a vote which no vote 00:17:50.770 --> 00:17:53.512 is happening today then I believe that 00:17:53.633 --> 00:17:56.513 it's their intent to take a public comment 00:17:56.554 --> 00:17:58.575 but right now we're not going to let 00:17:58.615 --> 00:18:00.635 people just shout out during the meetings 00:18:02.028 --> 00:18:03.628 And so we're going to just follow the 00:18:03.648 --> 00:18:04.450 normal procedures, 00:18:04.609 --> 00:18:06.192 let the council and commissioners have 00:18:06.211 --> 00:18:07.012 their discussion, 00:18:07.073 --> 00:18:08.473 and then when there's time for a public 00:18:08.493 --> 00:18:12.377 comment, we'll let everyone know. 00:18:12.397 --> 00:18:12.478 Well, 00:18:12.498 --> 00:18:13.798 I think I could just shed a little 00:18:13.818 --> 00:18:14.680 light on this. 00:18:14.700 --> 00:18:15.661 Go right ahead, Rick. 00:18:15.681 --> 00:18:16.922 You're involved with the community 00:18:16.961 --> 00:18:17.362 council. 00:18:28.023 --> 00:18:29.746 Some of the terminology kind of gets 00:18:30.046 --> 00:18:30.666 confusing. 00:18:30.686 --> 00:18:33.148 I know we deal with community crossings 00:18:33.169 --> 00:18:34.170 and after several years, 00:18:34.230 --> 00:18:36.011 I think we've got a pretty good feel 00:18:36.031 --> 00:18:36.491 for it. 00:18:37.373 --> 00:18:39.756 The state in twenty twenty seven will be 00:18:39.776 --> 00:18:41.057 coming out with a new grant. 00:18:41.817 --> 00:18:44.278 It's Lane Mile Direct Distribution, 00:18:44.499 --> 00:18:45.999 referred to as LMDD. 00:18:46.578 --> 00:18:48.479 That will affect our community crossings. 00:18:48.618 --> 00:18:50.740 They're very similar and related, 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:52.819 but our eligibility for community 00:18:52.859 --> 00:18:55.181 crossings won't change and won't in the 00:18:55.201 --> 00:18:55.980 foreseeable future, 00:18:56.421 --> 00:18:57.480 at least through twenty-nine. 00:18:58.221 --> 00:19:00.662 This LMDD, 00:19:00.942 --> 00:19:02.501 you do have to have a wheel tax 00:19:02.521 --> 00:19:03.622 to be eligible for it. 00:19:04.461 --> 00:19:05.803 The one thing you have to keep in 00:19:05.843 --> 00:19:07.682 mind when trying to get that grant 00:19:09.419 --> 00:19:11.440 you have a one million dollar cap 00:19:12.201 --> 00:19:14.842 regardless of which grant you go for. 00:19:15.501 --> 00:19:16.442 Community Crossings, 00:19:16.462 --> 00:19:18.403 the maximum is back down to one million 00:19:18.443 --> 00:19:18.963 dollars. 00:19:19.183 --> 00:19:22.105 The LMDD is one million dollars. 00:19:22.125 --> 00:19:23.727 You can't get one billion from each. 00:19:23.767 --> 00:19:26.268 So if we go like we have been 00:19:26.288 --> 00:19:27.127 for the last seven, 00:19:27.188 --> 00:19:29.509 eight years and get one million dollars 00:19:29.529 --> 00:19:30.670 from Community Crossings, 00:19:31.009 --> 00:19:32.111 which you do not have to have a 00:19:32.131 --> 00:19:32.971 wheel tax for, 00:19:33.751 --> 00:19:36.252 then the LMDD would be useless to us 00:19:36.272 --> 00:19:37.534 because we would not be able to draw 00:19:37.574 --> 00:19:37.814 from it. 00:19:39.368 --> 00:19:40.608 I just want to clarify that. 00:19:40.628 --> 00:19:42.849 So there is still a way for us 00:19:47.912 --> 00:19:49.791 to get a million dollar grant which is 00:19:49.811 --> 00:19:50.752 the maximum without having a wheel tax. 00:19:50.772 --> 00:19:51.012 Thank you. 00:19:51.032 --> 00:19:51.712 I actually have a question for you. 00:19:51.732 --> 00:19:53.493 I've read through the bill and there is 00:19:53.534 --> 00:19:56.954 some parts in the bill that there's an 00:19:57.075 --> 00:19:59.135 acronym that states if your county uses 00:19:59.175 --> 00:20:02.376 this type of surveying of roads that is 00:20:02.416 --> 00:20:04.457 that one what you're talking about with 00:20:04.477 --> 00:20:05.458 the different grants? 00:20:07.013 --> 00:20:11.757 So only criteria for the pacer pacer pacer 00:20:11.797 --> 00:20:13.958 p-a-s-e-r is that what you're talking 00:20:13.978 --> 00:20:14.117 about? 00:20:14.137 --> 00:20:15.178 We have to use that for community 00:20:15.198 --> 00:20:15.878 crossings as well. 00:20:15.939 --> 00:20:17.740 It's part of your pavement asset 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:18.440 management plan. 00:20:18.460 --> 00:20:20.361 We have to have them surveyed and graded. 00:20:20.840 --> 00:20:24.343 Okay and also for the the LMDD if 00:20:24.363 --> 00:20:26.443 we are interested in that which it's kind 00:20:26.463 --> 00:20:28.384 of redundant in my opinion. 00:20:28.404 --> 00:20:30.326 The paperwork shows a conservative 00:20:30.425 --> 00:20:32.386 estimate of August thirty first twenty 00:20:32.406 --> 00:20:33.867 twenty six is when we need to put 00:20:33.887 --> 00:20:34.188 that in. 00:20:34.208 --> 00:20:35.269 So we have a full year 00:20:39.125 --> 00:20:41.609 before we need to do that, 00:20:41.630 --> 00:20:42.530 so there's no need to get excited at 00:20:42.550 --> 00:20:42.651 them. 00:20:42.672 --> 00:20:42.912 Right. 00:20:42.932 --> 00:20:43.011 Well, 00:20:43.031 --> 00:20:44.134 and piggybacking on what you said with the 00:20:44.153 --> 00:20:44.473 PACER thing, 00:20:44.493 --> 00:20:45.296 I kind of didn't see the point of 00:20:45.316 --> 00:20:46.917 it because to me it seemed redundant to 00:20:46.938 --> 00:20:47.759 do the will tax 00:20:48.584 --> 00:20:50.285 When it looks to me like they're putting 00:20:50.384 --> 00:20:52.045 stiffer stipulations on how much you're 00:20:52.085 --> 00:20:54.145 going to get and harder to get a 00:20:54.165 --> 00:20:55.366 million dollars out of that by 00:20:55.386 --> 00:20:56.366 implementing the wheel tax from what I can 00:20:56.386 --> 00:20:56.626 read online. 00:20:56.646 --> 00:20:56.807 You know, 00:20:56.826 --> 00:20:57.567 if we decide to have a wheel tax, 00:20:57.586 --> 00:20:57.987 we have a wheel tax, 00:20:58.007 --> 00:20:58.867 but I just want it to be for 00:20:58.887 --> 00:20:59.567 the right reasons and everybody 00:20:59.587 --> 00:21:00.127 understands why we have it. 00:21:00.147 --> 00:21:00.228 Okay. 00:21:00.248 --> 00:21:01.469 But it's not qualified for community 00:21:01.808 --> 00:21:02.128 council. 00:21:08.830 --> 00:21:10.571 And that was one reason why we wanted 00:21:10.592 --> 00:21:12.511 to have this discussion today, 00:21:13.093 --> 00:21:15.012 was to get the information out there to 00:21:15.053 --> 00:21:17.594 make sure we totally understood. 00:21:18.213 --> 00:21:18.794 Thanks Rick. 00:21:19.034 --> 00:21:20.454 Thank you Rick. 00:21:20.815 --> 00:21:21.994 So as you all know, 00:21:22.075 --> 00:21:24.736 with some of the things that have been 00:21:24.756 --> 00:21:26.736 coming down from the state level, 00:21:26.935 --> 00:21:29.957 there's a lot of gray area and that's 00:21:29.997 --> 00:21:33.438 why we wanted to get that information out 00:21:33.518 --> 00:21:36.038 before we get to that point. 00:21:38.069 --> 00:21:42.730 um any other comments can i ask something 00:21:43.010 --> 00:21:45.571 sure you're taxing all vehicles how about 00:21:45.592 --> 00:21:49.633 atomic well we're not to that point yet 00:21:49.673 --> 00:21:54.753 where we're passing i don't disagree with 00:21:54.794 --> 00:21:57.595 you um but we're not to the point 00:21:57.634 --> 00:21:58.275 where we're 00:21:59.432 --> 00:22:01.554 ready to do anything at all. 00:22:01.753 --> 00:22:04.316 This is not something we're voting on 00:22:04.355 --> 00:22:06.337 today or that we have to do today, 00:22:06.397 --> 00:22:07.699 as Rick just mentioned. 00:22:08.038 --> 00:22:09.259 Then another thing, 00:22:09.539 --> 00:22:10.941 they could have rolled out on it, 00:22:10.980 --> 00:22:13.083 should not be running none of their women 00:22:13.123 --> 00:22:14.503 on the road with metal wheels. 00:22:15.025 --> 00:22:16.526 They do it all the time and the 00:22:16.546 --> 00:22:18.847 cops won't be nothing to them. 00:22:18.928 --> 00:22:20.548 Yeah, I'm not sure about the, 00:22:20.808 --> 00:22:21.950 I'm not really, uh, uh, 00:22:25.490 --> 00:22:27.971 study too much about that or how that's 00:22:27.991 --> 00:22:28.571 handled. 00:22:28.652 --> 00:22:32.013 But, you know, this one, 00:22:32.574 --> 00:22:34.736 this was just something new that come down 00:22:34.756 --> 00:22:36.277 from the state that we want to get 00:22:36.297 --> 00:22:37.477 the information out. 00:22:37.517 --> 00:22:40.638 So that's what the purpose of this was 00:22:40.659 --> 00:22:42.559 this morning was to get that out, 00:22:43.121 --> 00:22:45.362 just to see what we have to do 00:22:45.402 --> 00:22:47.423 moving forward. 00:22:47.583 --> 00:22:51.526 So that's kind of what that's for this 00:22:51.566 --> 00:22:51.806 morning. 00:22:54.214 --> 00:22:55.596 Sure, I just want to click. 00:22:55.715 --> 00:22:57.617 I don't think anyone wants a wheel packs 00:22:57.837 --> 00:22:58.798 on this council. 00:22:59.179 --> 00:23:00.619 It's just we were considering it. 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:02.040 If we were going to lose the community 00:23:02.101 --> 00:23:02.481 crossing, 00:23:02.541 --> 00:23:03.803 the grant was the only reason we were 00:23:03.883 --> 00:23:05.624 even considering it. 00:23:05.884 --> 00:23:07.204 So I just want to clarify that it's 00:23:07.266 --> 00:23:08.826 not that we're wanting the tax because. 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:11.621 Most people in this board are not willing 00:23:11.641 --> 00:23:14.943 to add any extra tax unless we absolutely 00:23:14.983 --> 00:23:15.403 have to. 00:23:15.423 --> 00:23:17.246 But the state keeps pushing the majority 00:23:17.266 --> 00:23:19.407 of this stuff down to the local level, 00:23:19.508 --> 00:23:20.208 unfortunately, 00:23:20.648 --> 00:23:22.130 and forcing us to do certain things. 00:23:22.150 --> 00:23:23.951 But it sounds like, and thank you, Rick, 00:23:23.971 --> 00:23:24.632 for explaining that, 00:23:24.652 --> 00:23:26.574 that maybe we won't have to do that. 00:23:26.653 --> 00:23:29.516 So we're not wanting to do this unless 00:23:29.536 --> 00:23:30.916 we absolutely have to, I guess. 00:23:30.977 --> 00:23:32.137 It doesn't look like there's a lot of 00:23:32.218 --> 00:23:33.499 incentives to do it. 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:35.119 Yeah. 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:35.820 The bill's very gray. 00:23:35.840 --> 00:23:35.941 Yeah. 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:38.619 From what I could tell, 00:23:38.779 --> 00:23:40.401 it's like if you do do it, 00:23:40.661 --> 00:23:42.021 there's a chance you're not going to get 00:23:42.142 --> 00:23:43.561 one hundred percent of your pool back 00:23:43.582 --> 00:23:45.002 because most of it's going to go to 00:23:45.042 --> 00:23:47.063 fund the roads in Marion County, 00:23:47.544 --> 00:23:48.983 which I don't think is fair to the 00:23:49.003 --> 00:23:50.585 taxpayers of Washington County to 00:23:50.644 --> 00:23:52.484 implement that to begin with. 00:23:52.744 --> 00:23:54.385 And that's our consideration. 00:23:54.605 --> 00:23:57.186 Why should we pass something that we all 00:23:57.207 --> 00:23:59.688 have to pay that someone else benefits 00:23:59.728 --> 00:23:59.968 from? 00:24:00.008 --> 00:24:01.788 That is not what this council wants to 00:24:01.808 --> 00:24:03.929 do for the taxpayers of Washington County. 00:24:06.365 --> 00:24:08.146 We just wanted to get that information 00:24:08.247 --> 00:24:08.326 out. 00:24:08.346 --> 00:24:09.866 Like I said, after the meeting, 00:24:10.586 --> 00:24:11.667 anybody is welcome. 00:24:11.688 --> 00:24:12.887 We can give you this paper. 00:24:12.948 --> 00:24:13.768 Come down. 00:24:14.868 --> 00:24:16.308 It was on their website. 00:24:16.929 --> 00:24:18.549 So we can give those out to you. 00:24:18.569 --> 00:24:20.410 So it kind of explains a little bit 00:24:20.430 --> 00:24:20.970 about it. 00:24:21.630 --> 00:24:23.050 But like I said, 00:24:23.070 --> 00:24:23.990 there's a lot of gray. 00:24:24.050 --> 00:24:25.751 It wasn't our intent to come in here 00:24:25.791 --> 00:24:28.192 this morning and pass a will tax. 00:24:28.271 --> 00:24:30.053 That's the last thing we want to do. 00:24:30.972 --> 00:24:32.733 But we also want to make sure that 00:24:32.773 --> 00:24:34.214 we have good roads. 00:24:34.816 --> 00:24:36.817 So with Rick's help, 00:24:36.896 --> 00:24:40.159 we've been able to secure these community 00:24:40.199 --> 00:24:42.000 crossing grants over the years, 00:24:42.621 --> 00:24:44.342 and it's really helped us out here in 00:24:44.382 --> 00:24:46.363 Washington County with the miles of roads 00:24:46.383 --> 00:24:48.085 that we have. 00:24:48.144 --> 00:24:49.365 Without that, Rick, 00:24:49.746 --> 00:24:51.406 how many miles of road would we not 00:24:51.446 --> 00:24:52.446 be able to pay? 00:24:52.467 --> 00:24:54.909 We've crossed the hundred mile mark of 00:24:54.929 --> 00:24:55.970 community crossing pay. 00:24:56.230 --> 00:24:56.509 Right. 00:24:56.549 --> 00:24:57.351 It's substantial. 00:24:58.299 --> 00:24:58.881 So yeah, 00:24:58.901 --> 00:25:01.041 this was just to get that information out. 00:25:01.061 --> 00:25:02.643 But like Todd said, 00:25:02.843 --> 00:25:06.526 it's not something we definitely wanted to 00:25:06.566 --> 00:25:06.665 do. 00:25:06.726 --> 00:25:08.326 It was just something we needed to get 00:25:08.346 --> 00:25:10.769 the information out to everyone so that 00:25:10.808 --> 00:25:11.388 they had it. 00:25:11.650 --> 00:25:13.290 So that's kind of where we're at this 00:25:13.391 --> 00:25:14.391 morning. 00:25:14.711 --> 00:25:15.392 Commissioners, 00:25:15.432 --> 00:25:16.992 do you have any questions on that? 00:25:17.012 --> 00:25:17.773 I give you the paper. 00:25:17.834 --> 00:25:19.255 No, I appreciate what you've said. 00:25:19.275 --> 00:25:21.536 I appreciate what Rick said because this 00:25:21.576 --> 00:25:22.656 was a fear we all had. 00:25:22.737 --> 00:25:24.939 It was everything's being shoved down. 00:25:24.999 --> 00:25:26.460 I've talked to surrounding counties. 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:27.641 They're having the same thing. 00:25:28.411 --> 00:25:30.613 I talked to Clark County yesterday. 00:25:31.012 --> 00:25:32.034 They was in a fear. 00:25:33.015 --> 00:25:34.055 Clark County, I think, 00:25:34.134 --> 00:25:36.537 is talking about passing something, 00:25:36.896 --> 00:25:38.417 but they're calling it something else. 00:25:39.118 --> 00:25:41.921 But there's a lot of confusion right now. 00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:44.022 And like everybody's agreed, 00:25:44.242 --> 00:25:45.703 none of us want to pay more taxes. 00:25:46.144 --> 00:25:47.965 But we definitely don't want to lose any 00:25:47.986 --> 00:25:49.346 more than we have to to keep the 00:25:49.446 --> 00:25:50.527 upkeep of our roads. 00:25:51.327 --> 00:25:56.192 So I appreciate you guys coming in here. 00:25:57.548 --> 00:25:59.690 it will be your decision but we have 00:25:59.710 --> 00:26:03.111 to have to be involved too but trying 00:26:03.131 --> 00:26:05.192 to find out nobody seems to know on 00:26:05.211 --> 00:26:08.313 this of what is happening so i appreciate 00:26:08.333 --> 00:26:11.094 all your due diligence of doing it 00:26:12.314 --> 00:26:13.914 And also on top of that, Phil, 00:26:13.974 --> 00:26:16.316 for transparency for our taxpayers and 00:26:16.336 --> 00:26:17.056 people that are here, 00:26:17.476 --> 00:26:18.655 you mentioned they were calling it 00:26:18.695 --> 00:26:19.237 something else. 00:26:19.277 --> 00:26:21.958 There's other people calling it a user fee 00:26:22.018 --> 00:26:23.657 instead of a wheel tax. 00:26:23.718 --> 00:26:25.878 So that kind of disguises that. 00:26:25.919 --> 00:26:27.599 So when you have all these gray areas 00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:30.040 and we use this verbiage instead of this, 00:26:30.340 --> 00:26:33.182 that just has raised cause concern from 00:26:33.241 --> 00:26:33.781 all of us. 00:26:33.821 --> 00:26:35.843 So just to be transparent, Lucy, 00:26:36.163 --> 00:26:37.682 so you guys all understand that and 00:26:37.722 --> 00:26:38.483 everybody out there. 00:26:38.564 --> 00:26:38.824 Okay. 00:26:42.184 --> 00:26:43.727 Thanks for the clarification, Greg. 00:26:43.767 --> 00:26:48.832 John, do you have anything? 00:26:48.852 --> 00:26:49.813 Yes, I'd like to echo what Mr. 00:26:50.053 --> 00:26:51.054 Armstrong said. 00:26:51.194 --> 00:26:53.616 I don't want anybody to get the impression 00:26:53.636 --> 00:26:57.520 that anybody wants to raise taxes. 00:26:59.005 --> 00:27:01.046 I think we're taxed to death the way 00:27:01.105 --> 00:27:01.586 it is. 00:27:02.467 --> 00:27:04.647 But this is being forced upon us. 00:27:05.048 --> 00:27:07.589 The state gives with one hand and they 00:27:07.630 --> 00:27:08.609 take with another. 00:27:08.711 --> 00:27:10.991 It seems like they are putting a lot 00:27:11.011 --> 00:27:13.032 of this burden back on the counties. 00:27:13.952 --> 00:27:17.414 So their coffers look better. 00:27:17.434 --> 00:27:19.457 So they're so their bottom line looks 00:27:19.497 --> 00:27:19.916 better. 00:27:20.096 --> 00:27:23.058 That's really nothing we can do about that 00:27:23.159 --> 00:27:26.099 except complain to our state legislators. 00:27:28.191 --> 00:27:29.893 I would like to take the liberty to 00:27:30.012 --> 00:27:32.375 answer this gentleman's question back here 00:27:32.394 --> 00:27:37.119 about the horse-drawn vehicle fees. 00:27:37.740 --> 00:27:38.321 Currently, 00:27:38.402 --> 00:27:41.365 they're sixty-seven dollars and fifty 00:27:41.424 --> 00:27:42.165 cents a year. 00:27:43.382 --> 00:27:44.643 That could very well happen. 00:27:44.663 --> 00:27:46.525 That comes down to enforcement, 00:27:46.565 --> 00:27:48.606 so I'm not going to get into that. 00:27:48.646 --> 00:27:50.929 But that's how much it is, 00:27:50.969 --> 00:27:53.371 sixty seven dollars and fifty cents. 00:28:02.159 --> 00:28:04.141 and for anyone out there who wants to 00:28:04.161 --> 00:28:06.201 know the house bill that the real tax 00:28:06.261 --> 00:28:08.304 stuff is being discussed in i encourage 00:28:08.384 --> 00:28:10.905 everyone to read it it's boring but it's 00:28:10.925 --> 00:28:12.527 informative um it's house bill fourteen 00:28:12.626 --> 00:28:13.667 sixty one dot zero eight thank you 00:28:13.748 --> 00:28:15.068 appreciate that anyone else all right you 00:28:15.108 --> 00:28:15.809 can move forward thank you okay 00:28:35.702 --> 00:28:37.865 Elimination of groundskeeper position. 00:28:38.384 --> 00:28:39.945 Board, 00:28:40.066 --> 00:28:45.630 I just want to clarify and point out 00:28:45.670 --> 00:28:47.912 that there is a memorandum of 00:28:47.991 --> 00:28:51.414 understanding between the commissioners 00:28:51.535 --> 00:28:53.876 and the Washington County Farmers and 00:28:53.896 --> 00:28:55.817 Merchant Fair Inc. 00:28:55.857 --> 00:29:00.181 Fair Board that allows for the county to 00:29:00.340 --> 00:29:02.083 hire a groundskeeper to assist 00:29:03.088 --> 00:29:04.808 the fairgrounds but the fair board 00:29:04.828 --> 00:29:08.549 ultimately had the control over that 00:29:08.849 --> 00:29:10.710 groundskeeper's daily activities and 00:29:10.730 --> 00:29:13.351 decisions regarding its employment 00:29:13.371 --> 00:29:16.550 including retention up to and including 00:29:16.612 --> 00:29:17.251 termination. 00:29:23.492 --> 00:29:26.732 So my understanding is they're going to 00:29:26.772 --> 00:29:29.314 change the structure of the fair 00:29:31.088 --> 00:29:32.849 You might understand that, right? 00:29:32.930 --> 00:29:34.030 Subcontractor down. 00:29:35.951 --> 00:29:37.573 Yeah, that's that's the intention. 00:29:40.035 --> 00:29:42.236 Nobody likes it when the position is 00:29:42.296 --> 00:29:43.017 eliminated. 00:29:43.196 --> 00:29:47.380 It's basically their decision. 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.020 We have to honor their decision. 00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:50.862 Everyone on the fair board. 00:29:53.604 --> 00:29:57.365 They work very hard to try to maintain 00:29:57.405 --> 00:29:58.366 the fairgrounds. 00:29:59.433 --> 00:30:02.115 They're not compensated in any way shape 00:30:02.195 --> 00:30:04.737 or form and it's getting harder and harder 00:30:04.777 --> 00:30:07.659 to find people to serve. 00:30:09.700 --> 00:30:11.861 So this is their decision. 00:30:11.901 --> 00:30:14.082 We have to honor their wishes. 00:30:16.103 --> 00:30:16.963 Based on that, 00:30:17.064 --> 00:30:18.825 I'll make a motion to eliminate 00:30:19.530 --> 00:30:21.392 the groundskeeper's position. 00:30:21.951 --> 00:30:22.592 I got a question. 00:30:22.632 --> 00:30:24.313 Who's going to pay the difference? 00:30:24.373 --> 00:30:27.634 Is there a difference between what we pay 00:30:27.654 --> 00:30:30.135 the groundskeeper now versus the subject 00:30:30.175 --> 00:30:30.516 now? 00:30:30.556 --> 00:30:32.336 All that. 00:30:32.497 --> 00:30:35.898 We stand to save probably close to ten 00:30:35.939 --> 00:30:36.858 thousand dollars. 00:30:37.220 --> 00:30:39.480 Where'd them numbers come from, may I ask? 00:30:40.320 --> 00:30:41.141 Where did they come from? 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:43.041 Yeah, I mean, I just, I've never seen, 00:30:43.061 --> 00:30:44.962 you know, seen them in numbers or nothing. 00:30:45.063 --> 00:30:45.983 I think it's need to be 00:30:47.747 --> 00:30:49.127 If we're going to put the bill then 00:30:49.167 --> 00:30:51.931 we need to more thoroughly investigate 00:30:51.971 --> 00:30:52.290 that. 00:30:54.313 --> 00:30:57.977 The mowing aspect is probably going to 00:30:58.017 --> 00:31:02.401 cost the county twenty thousand dollars a 00:31:02.442 --> 00:31:02.741 year. 00:31:02.781 --> 00:31:07.226 That's mowing, weeding, spraying. 00:31:10.653 --> 00:31:12.454 Where's these numbers coming from? 00:31:12.474 --> 00:31:15.718 The mowing was already included in the 00:31:15.738 --> 00:31:15.917 MOU. 00:31:15.958 --> 00:31:17.700 That's separate from the groundskeeper. 00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:18.359 We take care of that. 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:18.599 Right. 00:31:18.660 --> 00:31:19.421 The county is always. 00:31:19.461 --> 00:31:20.001 Chemicals. 00:31:20.481 --> 00:31:20.721 Mowing. 00:31:20.741 --> 00:31:22.784 Not the groundskeeper. 00:31:22.824 --> 00:31:23.064 Correct. 00:31:23.084 --> 00:31:24.826 So you're saying the county's got to 00:31:24.905 --> 00:31:27.167 continue paying that or how's that going 00:31:27.188 --> 00:31:27.729 to work? 00:31:27.769 --> 00:31:30.191 Mowing is part of the MOU. 00:31:30.211 --> 00:31:31.852 That is the responsibility of the county. 00:31:31.892 --> 00:31:32.573 That's not changing. 00:31:32.593 --> 00:31:34.173 Well I think before we decide on this 00:31:34.233 --> 00:31:34.494 we need 00:31:35.075 --> 00:31:35.836 We need some hard numbers or whatnot. 00:31:35.855 --> 00:31:36.115 I mean, 00:31:36.135 --> 00:31:36.935 we've got the council members sitting 00:31:36.955 --> 00:31:37.037 here. 00:31:37.057 --> 00:31:37.656 They're the ones paying for it. 00:31:37.676 --> 00:31:38.518 You ain't going to get the ground payments 00:31:38.538 --> 00:31:39.357 at that place for twenty thousand dollars 00:31:39.377 --> 00:31:39.498 a year. 00:31:39.518 --> 00:31:40.078 I own a landscaping company. 00:31:40.098 --> 00:31:40.419 I wouldn't do it. 00:31:40.439 --> 00:31:40.759 I mean, seriously, 00:31:40.778 --> 00:31:42.641 I used to run a lawn care business. 00:31:42.661 --> 00:31:48.124 There's no way for twenty thousand dollars 00:31:48.144 --> 00:31:52.126 a year to take care of that property. 00:31:54.550 --> 00:31:56.211 Okay, did you make a motion? 00:31:56.231 --> 00:31:58.074 This is not a time for public comment. 00:31:58.094 --> 00:32:00.576 This is the business of the commissioners. 00:32:19.086 --> 00:32:21.288 I'll second his motion on doing it to 00:32:21.667 --> 00:32:23.669 subcontract it out. 00:32:29.051 --> 00:32:30.492 So now we can discuss it once it's 00:32:30.532 --> 00:32:31.814 properly moved and seconded. 00:32:31.894 --> 00:32:35.816 I know Brad's over here with his mouth 00:32:35.855 --> 00:32:35.996 open. 00:32:36.056 --> 00:32:38.076 I would sure like to hear his opinion. 00:32:38.416 --> 00:32:39.837 Is it okay if the council asks a 00:32:39.877 --> 00:32:40.637 question? 00:32:40.657 --> 00:32:41.578 Can the council ask a question? 00:32:46.009 --> 00:32:48.230 Have we got quotes from new contractors? 00:32:48.270 --> 00:32:49.251 Did the fair board turn that over? 00:32:49.271 --> 00:32:49.932 That's what I'm asking. 00:32:49.952 --> 00:32:52.474 Verbal. 00:32:53.055 --> 00:32:54.056 Verbal. 00:32:54.076 --> 00:32:56.999 This year, great clarification, 00:32:57.499 --> 00:32:58.940 did the county not have to go over 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:00.342 and mow and spray this year? 00:33:02.308 --> 00:33:03.048 We do brush cut over there. 00:33:03.068 --> 00:33:07.890 We're limited on what we can do due 00:33:07.930 --> 00:33:08.529 to the MBH restricted funds, 00:33:08.549 --> 00:33:09.230 but we do go over there before the 00:33:09.250 --> 00:33:10.510 fair and stuff and knock out the weeks. 00:33:10.530 --> 00:33:10.891 Right, and help out. 00:33:10.911 --> 00:33:12.050 But it's been getting harder and harder 00:33:12.090 --> 00:33:14.131 every year to get the fair put on. 00:33:14.651 --> 00:33:17.152 And this year we had another thing. 00:33:17.471 --> 00:33:19.152 We had the state fire marshal come in. 00:33:19.811 --> 00:33:21.592 A lot of stuff that hadn't been corrected 00:33:21.652 --> 00:33:23.133 over the years had to be made up 00:33:23.532 --> 00:33:24.553 so that we could put the fair on. 00:33:24.573 --> 00:33:25.853 We've had to fight with that this year. 00:33:25.873 --> 00:33:25.952 Yeah, 00:33:25.972 --> 00:33:26.873 I don't believe that's a problem with the 00:33:26.893 --> 00:33:29.634 groundskeeper's job. 00:33:34.422 --> 00:33:37.823 If somebody is overseeing If somebody is 00:33:37.883 --> 00:33:39.723 overseeing the facility and you see 00:33:39.743 --> 00:33:43.204 something needs to be corrected it should 00:33:43.224 --> 00:33:46.066 have been corrected before now Extra 00:33:46.105 --> 00:33:49.747 expense to run this county things have 00:33:49.767 --> 00:33:54.308 been overlooked I agree now and this being 00:33:54.348 --> 00:33:55.068 said right now 00:33:56.578 --> 00:33:57.460 I have to agree. 00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.381 I think subcontracting it out can come out 00:34:00.461 --> 00:34:02.882 cheaper for us than trying to do what 00:34:02.902 --> 00:34:03.363 we're doing. 00:34:03.643 --> 00:34:05.503 But that hard hand was obviously agreed 00:34:07.404 --> 00:34:08.364 with. 00:34:08.605 --> 00:34:09.525 I have a question. 00:34:10.126 --> 00:34:10.786 I have a question. 00:34:10.846 --> 00:34:13.047 Since this council is the one that 00:34:14.327 --> 00:34:15.829 this council is the one that funds that 00:34:15.929 --> 00:34:19.429 so we give them thirty thousand dollars 00:34:19.489 --> 00:34:21.650 separate from the groundskeeper's salary 00:34:21.951 --> 00:34:24.751 right so two questions for you are you 00:34:24.791 --> 00:34:26.992 saying that this contracting is going to 00:34:27.052 --> 00:34:29.793 come out of that thirty thousand that we 00:34:29.833 --> 00:34:32.134 give the fair board no so we're still 00:34:32.193 --> 00:34:33.094 going to pay yes 00:34:34.186 --> 00:34:35.849 we're just gonna pay a different amount 00:34:35.889 --> 00:34:36.148 from, 00:34:36.489 --> 00:34:38.010 it's gonna change where the 00:34:38.030 --> 00:34:39.492 groundskeeper's money is now, 00:34:39.552 --> 00:34:41.753 you guys wanna put it to this 00:34:41.773 --> 00:34:42.936 subcontracting, right? 00:34:43.315 --> 00:34:44.317 Okay. 00:34:44.376 --> 00:34:45.338 My second question is, 00:34:45.358 --> 00:34:47.500 since this is a county position and it 00:34:47.539 --> 00:34:50.043 was funded by the last council last year, 00:34:50.643 --> 00:34:54.206 through december thirty first why does and 00:34:54.445 --> 00:34:57.507 so we're not spending any extra money so 00:34:57.628 --> 00:34:59.789 why does this position have to be 00:34:59.829 --> 00:35:01.710 eliminated now and not at the end of 00:35:01.731 --> 00:35:03.452 the year when the funding for it runs 00:35:03.572 --> 00:35:06.733 out and us as a council who decides 00:35:06.773 --> 00:35:09.516 where the money is spent then either does 00:35:09.576 --> 00:35:15.500 not fund that position or to give him 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:17.541 an opportunity before winter to 00:35:19.291 --> 00:35:26.280 have time to remove his personal items. 00:35:28.043 --> 00:35:29.425 To give Mr. 00:35:29.445 --> 00:35:32.268 Lee plenty of time before winter, 00:35:34.623 --> 00:35:39.744 to remove his personal items is what the 00:35:39.784 --> 00:35:40.465 fair board has stated. 00:35:40.485 --> 00:35:40.965 I stated sixty days. 00:35:40.985 --> 00:35:41.826 I've seen the agreement already. 00:35:41.965 --> 00:35:43.726 I'm going to piggyback off of what Brad 00:35:43.746 --> 00:35:44.425 just said there. 00:35:44.445 --> 00:35:47.186 So I guess I'm confused too because if 00:35:47.286 --> 00:35:49.246 we have budget hearings next week and 00:35:49.306 --> 00:35:51.567 let's say that we're presented with 00:35:51.626 --> 00:35:53.367 contracts showing how much it's going to 00:35:53.427 --> 00:35:56.007 cost us and we as a council decide 00:35:56.047 --> 00:35:58.048 to eliminate that position wouldn't he 00:35:58.068 --> 00:36:00.108 still have ample time to move and 00:36:01.148 --> 00:36:03.110 if they decide not to fund it next 00:36:03.150 --> 00:36:03.429 year. 00:36:04.811 --> 00:36:05.731 Because, I mean, 00:36:05.791 --> 00:36:07.972 we're meeting tomorrow on budget hearings 00:36:08.012 --> 00:36:09.213 for next year's budget. 00:36:09.293 --> 00:36:11.434 I guess I'm kind of piggybacking off of 00:36:11.454 --> 00:36:13.054 what he's saying to say I kind of 00:36:13.074 --> 00:36:14.175 get where he's coming with that. 00:36:14.195 --> 00:36:17.217 He'd still have ample time if we decide 00:36:17.237 --> 00:36:18.657 not to refund it next year. 00:36:18.757 --> 00:36:21.018 But that gives them time to bring us 00:36:21.958 --> 00:36:23.119 quotes to say, hey, 00:36:23.139 --> 00:36:25.740 is it going to be cheaper or not? 00:36:26.081 --> 00:36:27.922 We already know it will be cheaper. 00:36:28.402 --> 00:36:28.981 How do you know? 00:36:29.001 --> 00:36:29.702 That's just your word. 00:36:34.547 --> 00:36:36.608 I'm gonna pull Phil and Todd right here 00:36:36.648 --> 00:36:37.949 and I'm gonna make a motion to table 00:36:37.969 --> 00:36:38.969 this until the next meeting so we can 00:36:38.989 --> 00:36:39.510 do an investigation on it. 00:36:39.530 --> 00:36:40.550 Will y'all table stuff all the time on 00:36:40.570 --> 00:36:40.630 me? 00:36:40.650 --> 00:36:41.731 There's a motion on the floor. 00:36:41.751 --> 00:36:42.532 Can't have two motions on the floor at 00:36:42.552 --> 00:36:42.851 the same time. 00:36:42.871 --> 00:36:43.112 I'm sorry. 00:36:43.132 --> 00:36:44.032 Then do the right thing on the floor. 00:36:44.092 --> 00:36:44.273 Phillip, 00:36:44.293 --> 00:36:47.795 can you take back to your first motion 00:36:47.875 --> 00:36:48.795 and then table it? 00:36:48.815 --> 00:36:49.695 We have a motion and a second. 00:37:01.992 --> 00:37:02.992 No, I will table it. 00:37:03.614 --> 00:37:05.596 Just to appease everybody else. 00:37:06.016 --> 00:37:07.177 But the standpoint is, 00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:09.581 wherever we can save money, 00:37:09.721 --> 00:37:10.561 I'm out to do. 00:37:11.382 --> 00:37:12.543 And to be honest with you, 00:37:12.784 --> 00:37:13.585 in all fairness, 00:37:14.346 --> 00:37:18.530 I don't feel like you'll probably get the 00:37:18.570 --> 00:37:21.295 satisfaction of the work to be completed. 00:37:22.355 --> 00:37:24.076 And I think we will be throwing this 00:37:24.135 --> 00:37:26.018 money away if we wait until the end 00:37:26.038 --> 00:37:26.699 of the year. 00:37:27.398 --> 00:37:28.420 And like Todd said, 00:37:28.820 --> 00:37:31.882 he will have time to get his facilities 00:37:32.543 --> 00:37:33.103 straightened out. 00:37:33.244 --> 00:37:34.945 And I don't know for sure what the 00:37:35.025 --> 00:37:37.286 fair board, I haven't seen any proposal, 00:37:37.907 --> 00:37:40.369 how the fair board has the actual play 00:37:40.769 --> 00:37:41.990 that needs to come into. 00:37:42.811 --> 00:37:45.693 I do have a few questions myself of 00:37:45.753 --> 00:37:46.114 who, 00:37:46.755 --> 00:37:48.356 and this is something that needs to be 00:37:48.416 --> 00:37:49.836 addressed to the fair board. 00:37:50.858 --> 00:37:52.900 of how they plan on doing this. 00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:54.239 Now, 00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:57.202 am I going to pay somebody to do 00:37:57.262 --> 00:37:59.503 something that I don't feel like will get 00:37:59.583 --> 00:37:59.882 done? 00:38:00.722 --> 00:38:01.362 This year, 00:38:02.384 --> 00:38:06.025 and back when Rick Roberts was in as 00:38:06.045 --> 00:38:06.684 a commissioner, 00:38:07.485 --> 00:38:09.646 he jumped me quite a few times that 00:38:09.686 --> 00:38:11.748 the grounds wasn't being addressed. 00:38:12.527 --> 00:38:13.947 Spraying wasn't being done. 00:38:14.568 --> 00:38:16.429 Mowing and weeding wasn't being done. 00:38:18.655 --> 00:38:20.356 I'm all in favor of paying somebody to 00:38:20.416 --> 00:38:22.280 do a job and I'm not going to 00:38:22.300 --> 00:38:23.621 get into personnel matters, 00:38:24.623 --> 00:38:27.045 but we are here to conserve and save 00:38:27.085 --> 00:38:27.405 money. 00:38:27.987 --> 00:38:29.748 We haven't tried to hide like everybody 00:38:29.789 --> 00:38:30.630 goes on about. 00:38:31.610 --> 00:38:32.813 We've discussed water, 00:38:32.873 --> 00:38:34.134 which is not our business. 00:38:34.815 --> 00:38:35.536 That's a city. 00:38:36.777 --> 00:38:38.139 And in this case, 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:40.782 there's other things that have to be done. 00:38:41.242 --> 00:38:43.684 I haven't seen a full report from the 00:38:43.724 --> 00:38:44.445 fair board yet. 00:38:45.326 --> 00:38:47.047 I don't know who's going to maintain the 00:38:47.106 --> 00:38:47.608 buildings. 00:38:48.347 --> 00:38:49.750 I don't know what their plan is. 00:38:50.489 --> 00:38:53.193 I know what I'm hearing, 00:38:53.813 --> 00:38:55.014 but I haven't been addressed. 00:38:55.875 --> 00:38:56.795 I would like to have, 00:38:57.195 --> 00:38:59.378 I will table for another month to get 00:38:59.418 --> 00:39:01.679 some further discussion of what's being 00:39:01.739 --> 00:39:01.960 done. 00:39:04.382 --> 00:39:07.403 So there'll be a vote to pass or 00:39:07.503 --> 00:39:09.063 not. 00:39:09.123 --> 00:39:12.166 Hey, I do have one question. 00:39:12.286 --> 00:39:14.867 If you're going to take this for one 00:39:14.887 --> 00:39:17.507 more month, can there be a special time? 00:39:21.271 --> 00:39:22.050 in meeting to where the citizens of 00:39:22.070 --> 00:39:22.530 Washington County. 00:39:22.550 --> 00:39:23.130 I'm not opposed to that. 00:39:23.150 --> 00:39:24.251 We've tried night meetings. 00:39:24.311 --> 00:39:25.150 Nobody shows up. 00:39:26.552 --> 00:39:28.192 When's the last time you did that? 00:39:28.211 --> 00:39:28.771 But yes, to answer you. 00:39:29.032 --> 00:39:30.152 Do you have a motion? 00:39:30.172 --> 00:39:31.813 And there is a second. 00:39:31.873 --> 00:39:33.693 So now there needs to be a vote 00:39:33.753 --> 00:39:36.954 if you're finished with your discussion. 00:39:37.054 --> 00:39:37.494 All in favor? 00:39:37.514 --> 00:39:37.594 Aye. 00:39:37.673 --> 00:39:41.054 Opposed? 00:39:41.155 --> 00:39:43.635 Opposed, aye. 00:39:43.815 --> 00:39:47.235 Oh, aye. 00:39:50.516 --> 00:39:50.996 Okay, yeah, 00:39:51.016 --> 00:39:53.438 and we will set a meeting you'll be 00:39:53.458 --> 00:39:57.342 advised Will we as a council have quotes? 00:39:57.963 --> 00:40:00.226 There was a groundskeeping stuff so we can 00:40:00.505 --> 00:40:02.547 put it in our budget Will we get 00:40:02.588 --> 00:40:04.570 quotes by the time we go over the 00:40:04.610 --> 00:40:05.851 budget in the next three days? 00:40:05.952 --> 00:40:07.172 I think we've got 00:40:10.951 --> 00:40:11.972 based it on. 00:40:12.132 --> 00:40:13.371 I don't know what the whole plan of 00:40:13.452 --> 00:40:13.873 the fair board is. 00:40:13.893 --> 00:40:14.733 I haven't talked to them. 00:40:14.753 --> 00:40:15.932 I just thought it would be nice if 00:40:15.994 --> 00:40:18.835 we knew what our bottom line was going 00:40:18.875 --> 00:40:19.594 to be for that fund. 00:40:20.335 --> 00:40:22.115 See this is questions I ask when this 00:40:22.175 --> 00:40:24.737 all come about and I got pushed aside 00:40:25.157 --> 00:40:27.597 and it gets keepin' told to me that 00:40:27.998 --> 00:40:29.579 don't want to keep going in circles here 00:40:29.619 --> 00:40:32.059 but fill me in on the information and 00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:36.362 then this crap won't happen. 00:40:36.561 --> 00:40:37.063 Okay. 00:40:44.695 --> 00:40:47.336 Where'd it come from? 00:40:48.757 --> 00:40:55.324 I didn't hear it. 00:40:57.646 --> 00:40:59.108 We'll have to see what we got here. 00:41:00.403 --> 00:41:02.644 I mean, I can't make a change. 00:41:02.724 --> 00:41:05.905 Rick, I'm asking you to come forward. 00:41:06.025 --> 00:41:06.286 Rick. 00:41:06.306 --> 00:41:07.266 Thank you, Phil. 00:41:07.346 --> 00:41:15.748 And I have one hundred percent agree with 00:41:15.768 --> 00:41:15.887 you. 00:41:15.907 --> 00:41:17.467 That's what I was pushing for. 00:41:27.132 --> 00:41:28.293 Up there or back here? 00:41:28.313 --> 00:41:29.173 I'm going to just get them. 00:41:31.876 --> 00:41:33.378 What do we got? 00:41:33.398 --> 00:41:33.619 Bring it on. 00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:34.199 What do you got? 00:41:34.621 --> 00:41:35.541 Where we at on the blacktop? 00:41:36.503 --> 00:41:37.204 Community Crossings, 00:41:37.224 --> 00:41:39.166 we're probably near the halfway point. 00:41:39.567 --> 00:41:40.887 We're doing a little skip patching 00:41:40.927 --> 00:41:41.688 county-wide. 00:41:41.708 --> 00:41:43.309 We're finished with the county paving. 00:41:43.809 --> 00:41:44.590 While I take that back, 00:41:44.610 --> 00:41:46.112 we do have one road we skipped over 00:41:46.132 --> 00:41:47.472 because of some construction, 00:41:48.034 --> 00:41:50.115 but county paving is pretty well wrapped 00:41:50.996 --> 00:41:51.036 up. 00:41:51.056 --> 00:41:52.597 The crews are mowing and spraying, 00:41:52.637 --> 00:41:54.298 and we're starting to ditch for next 00:41:54.318 --> 00:41:55.699 year's Community Crossings roads. 00:41:56.581 --> 00:41:57.961 Everything else is going pretty well 00:41:57.981 --> 00:41:58.681 business as usual. 00:42:00.367 --> 00:42:01.228 I thought she was going to try to 00:42:01.250 --> 00:42:01.931 talk to me in the moment. 00:42:01.952 --> 00:42:06.364 I was getting nervous. 00:42:06.384 --> 00:42:06.905 Thank you, Ray. 00:42:14.150 --> 00:42:15.251 Can I ask one quick question? 00:42:15.271 --> 00:42:16.492 I know there's no public comment. 00:42:16.552 --> 00:42:17.693 I know a lot of people want to 00:42:17.733 --> 00:42:18.432 make a statement. 00:42:18.452 --> 00:42:19.713 So I appreciate you made the comment that 00:42:19.733 --> 00:42:21.853 possibly you'd have a public meeting or 00:42:21.873 --> 00:42:22.994 round table for this later. 00:42:23.014 --> 00:42:24.034 So I think that will, 00:42:24.054 --> 00:42:26.195 I understand there's formal rules to speak 00:42:26.295 --> 00:42:26.956 at these meetings, 00:42:26.976 --> 00:42:28.275 but I'm not on the agenda. 00:42:28.396 --> 00:42:30.257 My only question is, it's me personally, 00:42:30.277 --> 00:42:31.478 individually, and I'm Tara Hunt, 00:42:31.498 --> 00:42:32.358 not as a prosecutor. 00:42:33.117 --> 00:42:35.099 my question as far as contracts and 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:36.780 potential bids for the groundskeeper and 00:42:36.860 --> 00:42:38.402 where the money might lie of course we 00:42:38.523 --> 00:42:40.364 all want what's best and cheapest 00:42:40.523 --> 00:42:42.226 potentially best and cheap doesn't always 00:42:42.246 --> 00:42:44.668 go together but best for the county what 00:42:44.748 --> 00:42:46.630 i'd like to also ask that the fair 00:42:46.650 --> 00:42:48.630 board put together something as far as uh 00:42:48.690 --> 00:42:50.972 are there going to be surveillance in the 00:42:51.072 --> 00:42:52.894 situation the groundskeeper is eliminated 00:42:52.974 --> 00:42:54.295 will there be surveillance in that area 00:42:54.315 --> 00:42:55.516 because there's hundreds of thousands of 00:42:55.536 --> 00:42:56.338 dollars worth of 00:42:57.277 --> 00:43:00.059 RVs and boats that people pay well for 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:01.539 to store all winter long, 00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:03.320 myself and my husband included. 00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:05.041 And that's one thing of having a 00:43:05.061 --> 00:43:07.762 groundskeeper on site that I know as a 00:43:07.782 --> 00:43:10.242 prosecutor keeps individuals away. 00:43:10.262 --> 00:43:11.963 So that's another thing I'd like, 00:43:12.043 --> 00:43:13.302 if this does go down the road to 00:43:13.342 --> 00:43:14.923 where the Fairport ultimately gives 00:43:14.963 --> 00:43:16.503 contracts and says they want to contract 00:43:16.523 --> 00:43:17.644 this out, I would like to know, 00:43:17.664 --> 00:43:19.144 or that question from the community, 00:43:19.164 --> 00:43:20.286 because I've had these same questions 00:43:20.385 --> 00:43:20.865 asked of me. 00:43:23.166 --> 00:43:25.507 What's the surveillance going to be like? 00:43:25.527 --> 00:43:26.788 What's the protections maybe for potential 00:43:26.807 --> 00:43:28.148 people or getting into the barns? 00:43:28.168 --> 00:43:28.768 Some of those are, of course, 00:43:28.788 --> 00:43:29.467 open all the time. 00:43:29.648 --> 00:43:32.168 So that's just a request I'd ask. 00:43:32.248 --> 00:43:32.869 If you remember, 00:43:32.889 --> 00:43:34.869 that's one of the reasons this was done 00:43:34.909 --> 00:43:36.990 this way back when this first started. 00:43:37.550 --> 00:43:40.911 We did have break ends up there and 00:43:41.112 --> 00:43:43.793 at that point it was decided the city 00:43:43.813 --> 00:43:44.652 couldn't patrol it. 00:43:44.713 --> 00:43:46.414 At the time we didn't have access to 00:43:48.981 --> 00:43:52.905 projectors or cameras over and it was 00:43:52.925 --> 00:43:56.688 decided probably about two years after I 00:43:56.708 --> 00:43:59.311 was in about ten years ago that the 00:43:59.331 --> 00:44:01.331 best thing might be to put a personnel 00:44:01.351 --> 00:44:01.952 up there. 00:44:02.552 --> 00:44:03.835 But as you've seen, 00:44:04.675 --> 00:44:07.978 we've had other problems that go on and 00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:11.920 I agree with you and that will be 00:44:11.940 --> 00:44:13.302 taken into consideration. 00:44:13.362 --> 00:44:13.822 All things. 00:44:13.862 --> 00:44:14.282 Thank you. 00:44:16.905 --> 00:44:17.346 Thank you. 00:44:18.942 --> 00:44:23.224 That being said, Paul Acker. 00:44:25.626 --> 00:44:26.766 His face was already red. 00:44:26.806 --> 00:44:28.748 Look at that. 00:44:28.768 --> 00:44:30.208 I said his face was already red. 00:44:30.248 --> 00:44:30.789 Look at that. 00:44:30.809 --> 00:44:32.449 Good morning. 00:44:32.469 --> 00:44:33.411 Good morning. 00:44:33.431 --> 00:44:36.193 Quick update for you on the garage, 00:44:37.072 --> 00:44:37.873 the office building. 00:44:38.387 --> 00:44:40.550 It's ready for metal on the inside and 00:44:40.610 --> 00:44:42.471 then continue on the rough end, 00:44:42.590 --> 00:44:44.992 trying to get the same contractors working 00:44:45.092 --> 00:44:47.074 on the McCants Garage to try to get 00:44:47.094 --> 00:44:48.215 that knocked out by the end of the 00:44:48.255 --> 00:44:48.795 week here. 00:44:49.976 --> 00:44:52.557 If you've been by the job site you've 00:44:52.577 --> 00:44:54.099 seen the McCants Garage start up, 00:44:54.219 --> 00:44:57.282 they've got a lot of metal on the 00:44:57.382 --> 00:44:58.822 roof, siding. 00:45:00.300 --> 00:45:03.242 The outspouts gutters are coming in this 00:45:03.282 --> 00:45:03.641 week. 00:45:04.521 --> 00:45:06.242 They should be done framing that by the 00:45:06.262 --> 00:45:08.884 end of the week completely and then we'll 00:45:08.903 --> 00:45:11.726 turn it over to the contractors on the 00:45:11.766 --> 00:45:13.005 inside. 00:45:14.086 --> 00:45:15.527 Mother Nature's been pretty good to us so 00:45:15.547 --> 00:45:17.148 we're probably going to install the septic 00:45:17.188 --> 00:45:17.809 next week. 00:45:18.268 --> 00:45:20.769 All the materials are there on site for 00:45:20.809 --> 00:45:22.130 that installation. 00:45:23.398 --> 00:45:28.481 and currently the electrician is doing the 00:45:28.501 --> 00:45:30.943 underground rough-in for the electric and 00:45:30.963 --> 00:45:32.744 the fiber optic lines. 00:45:32.864 --> 00:45:34.706 He will probably be there until the end 00:45:34.726 --> 00:45:36.206 of the week doing that. 00:45:36.467 --> 00:45:38.228 I film all the trenches with gravel. 00:45:39.469 --> 00:45:41.289 We did meet with Duke to discuss all 00:45:41.309 --> 00:45:43.851 that to make sure everything was proper 00:45:44.652 --> 00:45:45.693 for them to arrive. 00:45:45.713 --> 00:45:48.695 We do have a couple work orders in 00:45:48.715 --> 00:45:49.356 with Duke, 00:45:49.695 --> 00:45:50.956 so I'm just waiting for that phone call 00:45:50.976 --> 00:45:52.097 to say, hey, we're ready. 00:45:53.498 --> 00:45:54.097 What about the, 00:45:54.117 --> 00:45:58.059 you say the electric's there now? 00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.380 The conduits are being put in right now. 00:46:01.420 --> 00:46:01.920 Okay. 00:46:01.940 --> 00:46:04.742 We met with Duke Energy out there I 00:46:04.762 --> 00:46:07.722 think two weeks ago to discuss it all, 00:46:07.742 --> 00:46:09.563 make sure everything is gonna be proper on 00:46:09.583 --> 00:46:10.083 their end. 00:46:10.603 --> 00:46:12.963 We've got the work orders in with Duke 00:46:13.003 --> 00:46:13.344 right now. 00:46:13.364 --> 00:46:14.864 They aren't just waiting for the phone 00:46:14.885 --> 00:46:16.664 call for them to say they're gonna hook 00:46:16.764 --> 00:46:17.726 it up. 00:46:17.746 --> 00:46:18.646 Is the fuel tank's in? 00:46:19.655 --> 00:46:20.496 Fuel tanks are in. 00:46:20.516 --> 00:46:21.757 Not the tanks, but the pumps? 00:46:22.036 --> 00:46:23.458 No, the pumps are not in. 00:46:23.938 --> 00:46:27.420 I've talked to him and told him about 00:46:27.460 --> 00:46:30.021 mid-September to come back and get 00:46:30.061 --> 00:46:32.882 everything restarted, I guess. 00:46:33.023 --> 00:46:37.324 What about the soul shed? 00:46:38.646 --> 00:46:40.626 The same contractor that's doing the 00:46:40.686 --> 00:46:43.128 mechanic's garage, when he gets done, 00:46:43.248 --> 00:46:44.688 he'll probably have a break in there maybe 00:46:44.708 --> 00:46:45.250 a week or so, 00:46:45.269 --> 00:46:46.510 and then he'll come back and do the... 00:46:48.518 --> 00:46:50.480 And salt and salt building. 00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:51.260 Okay. 00:46:51.980 --> 00:46:54.021 And then I see there's rebar up. 00:46:54.262 --> 00:46:55.443 Is that going to be poured down or 00:46:55.463 --> 00:46:56.983 is that going to be in a holding 00:46:57.003 --> 00:46:57.483 pattern? 00:46:57.563 --> 00:46:59.405 We're on a little holding pattern on that. 00:46:59.545 --> 00:46:59.925 Okay. 00:47:00.025 --> 00:47:05.068 And we have the two aggregate bins in 00:47:05.108 --> 00:47:08.510 that will house the sand and the, 00:47:08.590 --> 00:47:09.210 I want to say, 00:47:09.231 --> 00:47:11.231 elevens or twelves that you all mix with 00:47:11.271 --> 00:47:11.572 it. 00:47:11.652 --> 00:47:14.153 So we've got that ready for you all. 00:47:16.487 --> 00:47:18.009 Is the palace rock going to be stored 00:47:18.469 --> 00:47:19.951 anywhere around that or is it going to 00:47:19.971 --> 00:47:21.192 be put someplace else? 00:47:21.911 --> 00:47:26.195 We'll have some riprap, fifty-threes, 00:47:26.695 --> 00:47:28.938 and leavens in the bulkheads. 00:47:29.338 --> 00:47:29.838 Okay. 00:47:32.860 --> 00:47:34.041 Okay. 00:47:34.202 --> 00:47:34.882 Hurry. 00:47:34.922 --> 00:47:37.804 That's it this morning. 00:47:37.844 --> 00:47:41.188 Winter's coming next week. 00:47:41.228 --> 00:47:41.987 But not today. 00:47:42.449 --> 00:47:43.208 Thank you. 00:47:43.228 --> 00:47:43.530 Thank you. 00:47:50.188 --> 00:47:50.427 April? 00:47:50.447 --> 00:47:50.949 Kevin? 00:47:50.989 --> 00:47:53.009 Cameron? 00:47:53.128 --> 00:47:53.429 Todd? 00:47:53.528 --> 00:47:56.269 I'm good. 00:47:56.710 --> 00:47:57.250 Tony? 00:47:57.289 --> 00:47:58.650 Didn't spoke much, Pete. 00:47:58.670 --> 00:48:00.931 I need a motion for adjournment. 00:48:01.231 --> 00:48:02.632 I'll make that motion to adjourn. 00:48:03.112 --> 00:48:04.552 Tony made a motion to adjourn. 00:48:04.771 --> 00:48:05.552 Second. 00:48:07.733 --> 00:48:08.813 All in favor say aye. 00:48:08.833 --> 00:48:09.134 Aye. 00:48:09.534 --> 00:48:09.653 Aye. 00:48:10.951 --> 00:48:12.512 Motion to adjourn, council. 00:48:12.552 --> 00:48:13.373 I'll make that motion. 00:48:13.393 --> 00:48:13.634 Second. 00:48:13.795 --> 00:48:14.576 Andrew, second. 00:48:14.635 --> 00:48:17.039 Karen, all those in favor write in. 00:48:17.099 --> 00:48:17.760 Thank you.